Toyota Patents Quantum Motor

News Type: Event — Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:22 PM EDT

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floridaFrodo

In a censored schematic, it can be seen that light is applied to two rotors bound by magnets as the "source of torque".

Could Toyota have a working concept on the motor of the future?

Will we see a "Toyota Urban" powered by quantum motors?

OSAKA, JAPAN- From the 22nd floor of the Nakanoshima Central Tower, the offices of Hisao Fukami, comes news of Toyota's newest patent as filed with the WIPO (World Intellectual Property Organization) International Bureau, and released for international publication July 17, 2008. The Fukami Patent Office is listed as the agent for Toyota, who applied for the patent and worldwide rights January 11, 2007. The motor is interesting in its use of an "externally applied light" to a light sensitive rotor kept in a "permanent magnetic state" to generate torque.

Much of the ground breaking research and development was conducted in Brussels with at least seven research specialists working with Hidetoshi Kusumi.

The idea of a motor utilizing a concept of quantum mechanics is not new. Many have been intrigued with the idea of getting a motor to operate on changes in energy states. The problem has been that the "quanta" or changes in state occur in very small fields, and no one has been able to extrapolate the theory into anything plausible. To quote an alumni from my alma mater back home, "That dog just won't hunt."

It seems the Brussels team has expanded on the concept of quantum as disclosed in Japanese Patent 2001-268957, which lays out the concept for the quantum motor. The problem with the conventional quantum motor is that in application, no one has been able to obtain sufficient rotation force as to make it other than an esoteric item of water cooler discussion. Until now.

Toyota's idea is to use laser diodes and a novel flat matrix of copper surrounded by nitrogen and benzene rings bound to the surface of the rotors. The light emitted from the laser triggers the change in state within the matrix, causing current to flow from an irradiated portion to another portion. Thus the rotor rotates as the result of interaction between the current and the magnetic field, which is supplied by stationary magnets.

It remains to be seen what, if any, powerplant Toyota develops using this new technology. But the future is bright with possibilities of yet another alternative to the internal combustion engine.

(The actual transcript of the WIPO document, complete with technical drawings and claims, can be seen at:
http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/images4/PCT-PAGES/2008/292008/08084559/08084559.pdf

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Forest Browne

Great article!!!

A quantum engine that's just so awesome.

Forest

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4 votes

#1 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:44 PM EDT

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Gumwars

Here's the patent.

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1 vote

#2 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:03 PM EDT

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grog

Thanks Gumwars.

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2 votes

#2.1 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:55 AM EDT

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floridaFrodo

One would still have to power the laser diodes, but with solar improvements and the latest in battery technology, it is feasible that a vehicle using this would be totally free of any external hook ups.

So you can pretty much forget about THAT as a direction for R & D.

More likely will be some way to hook it up to the grid at night, or worse, to have hydrogen cells powering the laser so you still have to pull in and "fill 'er up".

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2 votes

#3 - Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:38 PM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

Theres a guy in Australia , that has been powering his whole house and everything in it for some time now, with a motor working from quantum ideals. The only differance is he has to give it a electric one time shock to get it started but once its started it stays running indefinately till he stops it with some sort of brake. This guy made the motor from scrap in his workshop. Ill try to go find where i read about it and post a link.

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3 votes

#4 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 1:26 AM EDT

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Peter Merel

In Australia we tell the same story about a guy in America.

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#4.1 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 3:56 AM EDT

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Robert Blevins - AB of Seattle

I converted your address for the WIPO document at the bottom of the article into a link.

The WIPO Document

Those Toyota guys are no dummies. If they got this far, they probably have some of the problems mentioned already worked out. Remember, these are the same guys entering their 12th year marketing the Prius in America.

Basically, they laugh at the brain boys in Detroit.

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#4.2 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:36 AM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Americanpuppet & Peter, I hope one of you is right. I once had a link saved on a way to generate electricity in any body of water 35+ feet deep.... it worked on the piston in the tube sinking until it reached a certain depth, then would rise because of the specific gravity of the material... interesting concept, but the link vanished.

Robert, thank-you. Now how did you do that? I have seen others do similar, and wondered. Also, I agree re: Toyota, but the ones to worry about are in Houston, not Detroit, and they give the marching orders to everyone else. I do not think Toyota will rock the boat too hard, but will likely compromise for the oil industry like they did on the Prius.

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#4.3 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:17 AM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

cool link Robert, and gives me something else to tinker around with.

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#4.4 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:56 PM EDT

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grog

Great seed FLORIDAFRODO.

I've been working with lasers and in the automotive industry for many years and have done a little studying of quantum physics. Tomorrow I'll be spending the day with Toyota engineers.

A couple years back I read about a successful experiment using lasers to propel an object through space. Basically a photon powered rocket. Of course it was a little too small for passengers.

It's certainly is exciting to see the application of new technology although we probably will not see this technology go mainstream for some time. Even though diode lasers are some of the most efficient as far as lasers go there is still the issue of the efficiency of energy transfer.

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1 vote

#5 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:49 AM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Even though diode lasers are some of the most efficient as far as lasers go there is still the issue of the efficiency of energy transfer.

grog, I understand the issues re: energy transfer. But surely the efficiency is better than your average internal combustion engine? Couple this with standard solar panels from France and the efficiency numbers climb dramatically.

Let us know of your conversations with Toyota engineers.

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2 votes

#5.1 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:33 PM EDT

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grog

As I understand it, an internal combustion engine is only about 30% efficient at best. The lasers I work with range from 12% to about 35-40% efficiency. The remaining energy is released as heat which needs to be absorbed with some type of heat sink such as a radiator (like in your car) or chiller unit which consumes additional energy.

Current diode lasers are about 60-65% efficient but they have improved and most likely will continue. They also have to be cooled but not as much due to their efficiency. One issue is that diode lasers are typically are of a lower power range. Although diode lasers are "stack-able" and can reach higher power ranges cost and reliability can become prohibitive. Now this leads to the question of how efficient is the quantum motor and what HP or wattage is it capable to deliver. I guess the next step is to do the math using a 1kw diode laser to calculate the potential power output of the motor to see if it is enough to propel a passenger car. My quick guess is no. But lets say it could get you down the road. Then the big question is is how did you power that diode laser?I'm not sure the solar panels would produce enough energy to get the car moving.It would either take a lot of battery power (consumed quickly) or you would need a long extension cord.

So why not just use the batteries to power an electric motor that is about 90% efficient?

I could be wrong but I really think Toyota is capturing this patent for other reasons than replacing the ICE. But then again the future could be brighter than I know.

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4 votes

#5.2 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 9:35 PM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Thanks, grog. How was your day with the Toyota engineers? Did you discuss their newest patent?

My guess is they were not even aware of it, as most of the rank and file are not privy to the stuff that goes on in R & D. (Could be wrong...I hope so.)

Anyway, enlighten us when you can.

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1 vote

#5.3 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:32 PM EDT

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grog

Well the day was very good. Our focus was on making vehicles lighter to increase efficiency.

But I was hoping they would know something about the quantum motor. Your guess was correct, nothing.

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1 vote

#5.4 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 5:42 PM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

I can not find it! I spent 4 hours last night looking for it.????????????????

The guy was oh wait!!!!! I just remembered where i might have seen it.

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#6 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:55 PM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Yes?

Similar thing happened on my link saved in "favorites" on the specific gravity generator.......and it's gone.

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#6.1 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 10:34 PM EDT

{"commentId":2327276,"authorDomain":"roamander"}

Americanpuppetescapee

FREE ENERGY Home Generator -Zero Point Energy - Off the Grid

Found a similar vid of same guy I mentioned above,on Youtube..

The guys name is John Cristy/kristy,not sure of the spelling.His partner friend's name is Lou grits or something like that..

The quantum aspects of the engine/generator,comes somewhere within the magnets.
I wont pretend to know about Quantum physics.
Very interesting tho. Al tho the original that i HAD saved within a file is gone. It was a little more in depth than what you tube vid is.

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#7 - Wed Jul 30, 2008 11:46 PM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Americanpuppet, can you give us the link?

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#7.1 - Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:11 PM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

i tried and tried to figure out how to get it to link. i failed everytime.

it was like you tube had some sort of block from linking, copying ,uploading etc.. Ive never had that problem before.... This is the title of the video from You Tube..( FREE ENERGY Home Generator -Zero Point Energy - Off the Grid) .. Any and everything i know about computers is self taught! So maybe its just something I'm doing or not doing? but ive never had a problem figuring how to link pages before.

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#7.2 - Fri Aug 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Can't help there. My expertise is in science and medicine....although, like Jefferson, I am interested in all things.

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#7.3 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 1:30 AM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

What I find fascinating about this particular motor ,is that light lasers are the source for motion..

I'm trying to picture in my head, the lasers making a break in the magnetic fields..
Ive read a little about these but wasn't aware of the lasers. What i read about was called pulse engines. Seeing the schematics for this motor above lets me visualise how the lasers could actually propel the rotor. It says something about changeing the properties of the copper,and the use of chemical compounds. Man this makes me wish I would have furthered my science education..... pretty cool stuff tho..

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#8 - Sat Aug 2, 2008 7:51 AM EDT

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floridaFrodo

The light emitted from the laser triggers the change in state within the matrix, causing current to flow from an irradiated portion to another portion. Thus the rotor rotates as the result of interaction between the current and the magnetic field, which is supplied by stationary magnets.

The lasers used are diode type, lower in power (not like the one immortalized in "Goldfinger"), but pretty efficient. The idea is the intense pulse of light from the laser stimulates electrons (really stimulates 'em), and that is what electricity is when you get to the basics, a flow of electrons. Because of the magnets, you get the rotation of the rotors.

I had a video on another laptop of a guy in Mississippi who used earth magnets to rotate within a magenetic field, and he generated some significant torgue. It took energy to start the spin, but once it started, there was no stopping them for 1,250 years, the approximate life of natural earth magnets.

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1 vote

#9 - Sun Aug 3, 2008 12:04 AM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

ok this should take you right too the video!

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#10 - Mon Aug 4, 2008 8:24 AM EDT

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Americanpuppetescapee

Im not allowed to link anything ,I guess. something about being a new poster on newsvine?

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#11 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 3:11 AM EDT

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floridaFrodo

Try "spelling it out", i.e., "something dot com slash something something dot htm", or some such. This will get it out plain enough.

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#11.1 - Wed Aug 6, 2008 6:52 PM EDT

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